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      Before I start with this guide, I’m not the best Ember player you can find.
      I’d say I’m decent with her and have enough knowledge to get gud with Ember.
      I’m playing on Diamond level, sitting around 2000-2100 ELO in EU. (Highest ELO reached is with Ember 2158 ELO, Rank 29)
      This is my experience with Ember I’m trying to share, not everyone has the same playstyle but I can give you some tips on how I do it and you might do it aswell.
      Let’s get rid off this bla bla and hop to the guide.



      | General Stuff |

      I have to say, Ember is definitely not easy. She’s not a legend you can pick up and play like other legends.
      She wields a bow and katars, both really aggressive weapons with not many combos in their kit. Both weapons
      can be played passive.
      I personally play Ember more aggressive then passive/parry. When playing with bow care about spacing, and wreck up damage
      while being safe. Spacing is the key to success! You can use almost every attack after hitting DLight, I
      frequently use DLight > NAir/NLight to wreck up damage. DLight > SAir is a perfect killing tool on the edge
      but also useful to just wreck up damage or to string after SAir.
      When playing katars I’m super aggressive, giving your opponent a hard time is a good mental counter.
      Pressure and reading is the key to success. Katars have some great strings and with Ember being the
      fastes katar legend (Lucien and katars? DansGame) you have it a lot easier to string and follow up then other katar legends.
      My favorite string on katars is DAir > MDodge > DLight > Jump > DAir > NLight > Recovery > MDodge > Nair.



      | Ember’s Stats |

      / Strength: 6
      / Dexterity: 6
      / Defense: 3
      / Speed: 7

      // Strength

      She has the second strongest katars and the second strongest bow in the game!
      Her sigs are powerful aswell, her strength combined for the force of her sigs can lead to early kills
      even on high defense legends.
      She can easily wreck up damage and can send a Bödvar to red in one string with katars.
      I’m telling ya, abuse her bow. PogChamp

      // Dexterity

      6 points in dexterity is awesome, it may not sound as much but it actually is.
      You wont get punished so easy if you play correctly, if you spam sigs.. eh then you’re probably out pretty soon.
      Try to abuse as much light attacks as possible since on both weapons katars and bow the attacks
      are coming out pretty fast.

      // Defense

      Yup, you guessed right this is her biggest weakness. She dies early, with 3 defense you have to be really careful.
      Try to avoid closecombats with bow and I dare you to spam your dodge. Use your dodge wisely and do not gravity cancel
      every sig, if you feel like they can(!) hit. A three second cooldown on your dodge with Ember, good luck.

      // Speed

      She’s the fastes katar legend ingame (Lucien? He has katars? What, I thought he only has guns.. :^) with that being said
      you can outplay your enemy pretty hard. Most of the legends are slower than you so you can just outrun them.
      This is perfect because if you don’t get hit you don’t have to bother much about your 3 defense.



      | Ember’s Signatures |

      // Bow – Neutral Signature
      This signature has two damage parts, both dealing 11.05 damage, in total 22.1.
      Not possible to hit it stacked. Hits enemies infront of you, grounded and in the air.

      This kills at 180 (red) on the edge and at 200-220 (deep red) in the middle of the stage on 8 defense.
      This kills at 160 (light red) on the edge and at 180 (red) in the middle of the stage on 5 defense.
      This kills at 140 (light red) on the edge and at 170 (red) in the middle of the stage on 3 defense.

      This signature deals 22.1 damage.

      Has decent recovery frames but small hitboxes, still nice anti-air and great kill potential. I personally don’t use it
      as much as other tools.

      // Bow – Side Signature
      This signature has also two damage parts, the first part dealing 9.8 damage and the second 11.10, in total 21.8 damage.
      You only hit both damage parts if you’re near to your enemy or stacked. Hits enemies infront of you, grounded but not in the air.

      This kills at 150 (light red) on the edge and at 180 (red) in the middle of the stage on 8 defense when hitting both damage parts.
      This kills at 170 (red) on the edge and at 190 (red) in the middle of the stage on 8 defense when hitting only the second part.
      This kills at 130-150 (light red) on the edge and at 160 (light red) in the middle of the stage on 5 defense when hitting both damage parts.
      This kills at 150 (light red) on the edge and at 170 (red) in the middle of the stage on 5 defense when hitting only the second part.
      This kills at 130 (deep orange) on the edge and at 160 (light red) in the middle of the stage on 3 defense when hitting both damage parts.
      This kills at 150 (light red) on the edge and at 180 (red) in the middle of the stage on 3 defense when hitting both damage parts.

      This signature deals 21.8 damage in total.
      This signature deals 9.8 damage when hitting the first part.
      This signature deals 11.10 in the second part.

      I like this sig a lot! This is the signature I use the most on bow, not spammy but often, like whenever I now they’re not expecting it. I love the fact that it hits stacked you can simply pull your enemy from the stage and put youself in a edgeguarding situation. Trust me since the new buff this signature has a lot of potential and is just overall great!

      //Bow – Down Signature
      The best way to use the DSig is it to combind it with a gravity cancel. You put yourself in a rather safe position which is hard to punish when your enemy is below you. This can hit stacked. And hits any enemies below you in a small hitbox which goes straight under you. Hitboxes are weird for me but it spreads when hitting ground.

      This kills at 170 (red) on an 8 defense legend.
      This kills at 160 (light red) on a 5 defense legend.
      This kills at 160 (light red) on a 3 defense legend.

      This signature deals 26.2 damage.

      Yea, this signature is not bad, it’s really consistent. It puts you in a somewhat safe position on the ground and in the air (gravity cancel). Has decent force and great kill potential in higher health stages. I love to use this sig combined with a momentum dodge because it’s fast and catches most people off guard.

      //Katar – Neutral Signature
      Similiar to the bow one, just less range and more force. Two damage parts, dealing 25.8 damage.
      Can not be hit stacked and hits people in diagonal range above you when facing your enemy.

      This kills at 170 (red) on an 8 defense legend.
      This kills at 160 (light red) on a 5 defense legend.
      This kills at 150 (light red) on a 3 defense legend.

      This signature deals 27.4 when hitting every 11 hits.

      Not to bad, but not my favorite. I rarely use signatures on Ember’s katars but when I do, I use other than NSig. It’s just personal preference I guess, for me, there are a lot better killing tools for example DLight > Recovery or NAir > Recovery.

      //Katar – Side Signature
      Great signature, nice force and hits stacked which is incredible in my opinion. Her second best signature in her kit!
      What I really like to do is to gimp then and do a gravity cancel side signature towards the end of the map. It really catches people off guard.
      Hits people in front of you in a short distance. This signature has also two damage parts, if the first one hits the second will hit 100% (only for 1v1).

      This kills at 140 (red) on the edge and at 150! (red) in the middle of the stage on an 8 defense legend when hitting both damage parts.
      This kills at 150 (red) on the edge and at 170 (red) in the middle of the stage on an 8 defense legend when hitting only one damage part.
      This kills at 120! (orange) on the edge and at 140! (red) in the middle of the stage on a 5 defense legend when hitting both damage parts.
      This kills 140 (red) on the edge and at 160 (red) in the middle of the stage on a 5 defense legend when hitting only one damage part.
      This kills at 120 (orange) on the edge and at 140 (red) in the middle of the stage on a 3 defense legend when hitting both damage parts.
      This kills at 140 (red) on the edge and at 160 (red) in the middle of the stage on a 3 defense legend when hitting only one damage part.

      This signature deals 30.1 damage when hitting both damage parts.
      This signature deals 14.5 damage when hitting the first part only.
      This signature deals 15.6 damage when hitting the second part only.

      I love this signature, great killing move and definitely my favovrite move in Ember’s kit. Great start up frames, huge knockback, great force and huge stun time. Love it.

      //Katar – Down Signature
      This is probably Ember’s best signature. Barely unpunishable (Dobrein approved), great force and huge killing potential. That jump back catches everyone off guard, also absolutely no startup frames. This signature can be hit stacked

      This kills at 140 (red) on the edge and at 150 (red) in the middle of the stage on an 8 defense legend.
      This kills at 130 (red) on the edge and at 140 (red) in the middle of the stage on a 5 defense legend.
      This kills at 120 (oranged) on the edge and at 140 (red) in the middle of the stage on a 3 defense legend.

      This signature deals 27.5 damage when hitting all 7 damage parts.

      I like the side signature more because it has more force, but I actually use the down sig more. Just the fact that you jump back so fast makes it better because the chances is less that you get punished. This signature is a really consistent move.

      NOTE: EVERY MOVE HAS BEEN TESTED ON THE MAP SHIPWRECK FALLS, THIS DATA IS NOT 100% TRUE BUT YOU CAN RELY ON IT! NO SIGNATURE HAS BEEN CHARGED.

      | Combos and Strings |
      I’ll add gifs when I have time for it but for now let me do it this way:

      //Bow

      – DLight > NAir (easy, true combo) deals 31.8 damage. [Great for wrecking up damage]
      – DLight > SAir (easy, true combo) deals 25.6 damage. [Great killing move, can be used to wreck up damage or to start a string with]
      – DLight > NLight (easy, true combo) deals 30.8 damage. [Great for wrecking up damage]
      – DLight > Recovery (medium, true combo) deals 27.7 damage. [Great killing move]
      – DLight > DAir (easy, string) deals 29.2 damage. [Great for wrecking up damage, can be used to start a string]
      – DLight > NSig (easy, string/true on white) deals 23.2 damage. [Drops in orange and above, not so useful]
      – DLight > Groundpound (hard, string) deals 21.5 damage. [Great killing move, high force, can lead to early kills]
      ^ You can start with SLight on any of these combos/string but using SLight first will make any true combo a string.
      Also add 24.6 damage to the actual combo/string.

      – NLight > NAir (easy, string) deals 43.7 damage. [Great for wrecking up damage]
      – SAir > NLight (easy, string) deals 37.3 damage. [Great for wrecking up damage]
      – SLight > DLight > DAir > SLight > SAir/Recovery/NAir/NLight (hard, string) deals 95.2-101.6 damage [Great for wrecking up a lot of damage]

      //Katars

      – DAir > SLight > NLight (easy, string)
      – DAir > Chasedodge > DLight > NAir (hard, string)
      – DAir > Chasedodge > DLight > DAir > NLight > Recovery > Chasedodge > NAir (really hard, string)

      [This guide is done so far, but I’ll still add some things and update it once or twice a week. Thanks!]
      (c) Brandon “Ephyr” Lee 2016

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    • #2189

      Xenon
      Admin

      Good stuff, I look forward to reading the rest when it’s finished!

    • #2196

      Umpix
      Member

      Looks great so far, hope to see the finished guide soon! :ember

    • #2197

      chuyqwerty
      Admin

      Nice man. I’ll post this on the Legends section for Ember when you finish it. :ember1

    • #2207

      Valin
      Member

      I really like the signature review you did, gives me a different view of how to use them than my own :P

      • This reply was modified 4 years, 6 months ago by Valin.
    • #2211

      chuyqwerty
      Admin

      This inspires me to make an Orion guide. I really like how much attention you put to this legend. Like, you know what each signiture kills at and all that. I bet if I started paying attention to all that for Orion, it would probably make me a better player. So maybe writing a guide would force me to pay more attention… Thanks for the inspiration! :orion1

    • #2216

      I find with bow that I really struggle in situations where I can’t hit dlight – what should I do then?

      • #2226

        Sorry for the late reply,

        so usually I try to cover up as much as I can after missing a DLight. You gotta abuse that 6 dexterity!

    • #2327

      Pr0x1M1Ty
      Member

      This guide was EXTREMELY helpful considering me being an Ember main. I love the work you put into this guide for Ember. Keep it up! :D

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